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John West's avatar

Thanks David for your historical perspective on the beginnings of the Liberals and the discrediting of the UAP. Who knows what might come next? Will there be a new Party, or will the remainders try and rally and fight on for another election?

With your point on the loss of Bridget Archer, I think she was an exceedingly rare MP in the Parliament willing to cross the floor and vote against their own party.

Like the independents she remembered that she represented a constituency and not necessarily the party. That is something to be admired and contrast with the ALP which imposes suffocating internal discipline. Time will tell if the new MPs have some new ideas or are just yes men and women.

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New Politics's avatar

The loss of Archer and the probable loss of Wolahan makes any transition harder. Can leopards change their spots? DL

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Jill Ross's avatar

Mostly they don’t! Completely new blood needed now and in both parties!

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Mark Phillips's avatar

The Liberals and the Nationals need to separate whilst they are in opposition. This would allow the Liberals to develop a policy menu based around cities. Though this may not work because of the influence of angry old men on the Liberal Party.

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New Politics's avatar

The pedant in me wants to remind you that the coalition isn’t constituted while in opposition.

However the political scientist in me thinks you’re right. The liberal

Party, the party of the urban and suburban aspirational voters has to find its appeal in the city. It has lost all but one seat in Melbourne and no more than a handful in Sydney. The rural based mining companies are a part of it. But I am inclined to think that neo liberalism’s detestation of community is a major part. Thatcher famously said there was no such thing as society, only family.

Turns out while family is important, so

Is living in a community it seems. DL.

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Mark Phillips's avatar

The pedant in me wants to remind you that the Liberals and the Nationals have remained in Coalition in the Federal Parliament, whether in Government or Opposition, with the exception of 1972-1974. Even when the Liberals alone had a majority of seats they maintained the Coalition. 😊

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CFV's avatar

Good read.

I unfortunately think that it will be more of the same for the Liberals.

Besides my natural cynicism I formed this view from many indicators. Including - Jane Hume on CH 9 election night coverage referred to the "lessons learned" from the last election without telling the audience what the lessons were that were learned and how they used them. Vocal criticism from Liberal insiders. The set of candidates for leadership are uninspiring and more of the same. Gina advising the adoption of Trump policies. I don't watch Sky but decided to have a sample of several shows via Youtube - need I say more! And remember they could not even get local Sydney North Shore counsellors registered (bad organisation within says sick organisation).

Did any one follow up if Michaela Cash actually phoned the incumbent and candidate Libs who lost their seats on Sun?

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New Politics's avatar

It’s going to be a very tough, very painful and very frustrating transition for the party. Those that held power will want to use the now outdated model that gave them an uneasy and unproductive time in government. There will be those who will want evolution. One thing I might develop further in the podcast is the party will want to blame Peter Dutton and Angus Taylor in an attempt to clear all the guilty. While they share a lot of the blame (and Dutton to his credit took full responsibility l) there’s a lot of blame to go round. DL.

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KHolbekistan's avatar

Excellent.

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New Politics's avatar

Thank you. DL

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Ashley Creighton's avatar

I just hope that with the gifted mandate, we finally have a government that can apply vision and strategy to structural changes akin to the Hawke-Keating era - economy and reinvigorating home-grown manufacturing, energy policy, shift to a more self reliant defence policy, free tertiary education, de-politicize major infrastructure development, strenghthen social media governance and going back to the grass-roots of listening to the people. Keep the oligarchical influence at a distance. Australia needs to look at what is happening in America and the erosion of its democracy and the shift to autocracy. We need to learn. Proud to be an Australian.

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